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A good example of how the electrical age is very helpful as well as hurtful, But honestly those comments are not very far off base are they? I have been at it for over 27 years and can't say I make but a few pennies more than I did 15 years ago.. Of course a major problem is the pay , cars have become way more technical and takes a very dedicated well trained person to diagnose, fix, and confirm the repair. That brings us to the schooling which from what I have heard from many sources that it is still basically the same as when I went to school a long time ago. 

Of course it is not totally the owners faults , it is the schooling, the people ( willingness to put in a lot of hard work and learning) , the industry , and the general public. It was stigmatized as a job for the "losers" and "rip offs" we know that is not true , but that stigma has not changed why pay "losers" and " rip offs" good money ? 

The way I see it is this industry is like any other, It booms and it crashes, We are defiantly in a crash period and have been for a long time and it is only going to get worse before it gets better. There are a lot of things that need to change in every aspect from schooling, the industry , and the public. That is a huge feat to change all this and it will take a very long time once it starts, but I don't think it will start till the "shit hits the fan"  and that will be when the industry is at rock bottom and techs can't be found.. The only silver lining to this is that the ones in the field and are good will benefit since they will be more sought out and be able to make a better living for themselves.. 

Years ago I use to make money working on cars and was able to put money away and save, now I pay bills that is all !  The cost of living has gone way, way up over the last 10-15 years but our pay has only crept up. How do entice someone into an industry like that? I know I would not do it again knowing what I know now, but that being said I will not give up and I will continue to be the best I can and keep learning all the new stuff the industry throws at me.. If I never get the financial reward at least I will have the pride in knowing I was the best I could be at what I did ! 

Put simply there needs to be a HIGHER STANDARD across the board in every aspect of this business !

 

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1 hour ago, skm said:

A good example of how the electrical age is very helpful as well as hurtful, But honestly those comments are not very far off base are they? I have been at it for over 27 years and can't say I make but a few pennies more than I did 15 years ago.. Of course a major problem is the pay , cars have become way more technical and takes a very dedicated well trained person to diagnose, fix, and confirm the repair. That brings us to the schooling which from what I have heard from many sources that it is still basically the same as when I went to school a long time ago. 

Of course it is not totally the owners faults , it is the schooling, the people ( willingness to put in a lot of hard work and learning) , the industry , and the general public. It was stigmatized as a job for the "losers" and "rip offs" we know that is not true , but that stigma has not changed why pay "losers" and " rip offs" good money ? 

The way I see it is this industry is like any other, It booms and it crashes, We are defiantly in a crash period and have been for a long time and it is only going to get worse before it gets better. There are a lot of things that need to change in every aspect from schooling, the industry , and the public. That is a huge feat to change all this and it will take a very long time once it starts, but I don't think it will start till the "shit hits the fan"  and that will be when the industry is at rock bottom and techs can't be found.. The only silver lining to this is that the ones in the field and are good will benefit since they will be more sought out and be able to make a better living for themselves.. 

Years ago I use to make money working on cars and was able to put money away and save, now I pay bills that is all !  The cost of living has gone way, way up over the last 10-15 years but our pay has only crept up. How do entice someone into an industry like that? I know I would not do it again knowing what I know now, but that being said I will not give up and I will continue to be the best I can and keep learning all the new stuff the industry throws at me.. If I never get the financial reward at least I will have the pride in knowing I was the best I could be at what I did ! 

Put simply there needs to be a HIGHER STANDARD across the board in every aspect of this business !

 

Thank you for the excellent and well thought out post. Before the thread gets to far off topic, I need a new tech.  Is anyone willing to help me write an advertisement or help me with postings, over the phone or through e-mail?

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yes sorry didn't mean to get off topic...  I can only give my $.02 be very honest about who you are looking for and your business. Be realistic with your expectations of them and what you want from them and yourself. Don't give in and fluff an ad to get someone. I have seen many people find "greener grass" from reading an ad and then be very upset when either the employee or employer didn't' meet the expectations . Then you are looking again. 

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This is the most recent add that we put up on a number of locations. It was effective for me:

Regards, Mike

Import repair Technician well versed in diagnostics.

Company Type: Independent Repair Service
Start Date: Immediate
Posted by: Michael Moench

Technician would be responsible for inspecting, diagnosing and estimating repairs while working with a top notch service manager. Technician would be trained on all shop diagnostic equipment. Training and continuing education from multiple sources is available and is paid for by employer. $18 to $30 per hour plus benefits. Vacation pay plus shared health care.

We believe in hiring the right talent and letting them make their money! Tired of working someplace where you're just a number? We are a family owned and operated shop that's looking for you!

We are looking for an experienced Technician who wants an environment where they can be the professional that they are.

Pay is based on experience and ability. Great opportunities for all Techs and we are e$pecially interested if YOU have European and Asian import experience. Why else consider J B Import Automotive Repair? How about:

  • 5 day work week
  • NO Saturdays or Sundays; our Techs make great pay without cutting into family or personal time
  • Modern shop
  • Well-maintained equipment
  • Plenty of room and lifts for our Techs
  • Bright well maintained work areas
  • All the latest software and computer terminals in our shop
  • Professional Service Advisors who respect our Techs
  • Our customers trust our shop so we always have plenty of good business for our Techs year-round

*Even if YOU have never worked in an independent shop, we invite you to talk to us to find out more about our shop, our work and our area!

*Techs, retail warranty work here. Get paid fairly on EVERY job!

*Submit YOUR resume with confidence that all contacts with us are completely confidential. Do it TODAY!

Our benefits include:

  • Health Insurance
  • Disability Coverage
  • Paid Vacation
  • Paid Holidays
  • Provided Uniforms
  • Continued Paid Training
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 Several other shops recommended Indeed to me .  They  had hired excellent  technicians  from the applicants provided. My experience was not good. After several hundred dollars spent not one viable applicant was produced. After two months  I followed the directions provided on the web site to cancel our account. Yep, next Billing cycle on our credit card was another $115 dollar charge. When I called for an explanation , I felt like I got a BS response. No refund . So, lesson learned 

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On 4/24/2018 at 5:30 PM, Topauto said:

 Several other shops recommended Indeed to me .  They  had hired excellent  technicians  from the applicants provided. My experience was not good. After several hundred dollars spent not one viable applicant was produced. After two months  I followed the directions provided on the web site to cancel our account. Yep, next Billing cycle on our credit card was another $115 dollar charge. When I called for an explanation , I felt like I got a BS response. No refund . So, lesson learned 

I have been giving Zip Recruiter a try. I had them send me an email promising a refund in writing if it does not pan out, so far nothing, I get lots of applications from folks with experience in oil fields and fork lifts.

@Mike the Mechanic  Thank you for this, I added a lot of it to my ad, hopefully it gets me more results.

 

What platforms have you guys had success with in finding new recruits?

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One of the most successful shop owners I've met gave me a basic template idea. He states what he wants, what he can provide, and how much an A, B, or C level Tech can make if they're good. He pays to move their tool chest in and will pay to have it moved out wherever it needs to go after 6 months if the Tech isn't happy. He'll pay them a healthy sign-on bonus, half on their first day and the other half after 3 months. He clearly writes no drunks, no drugs, no excuses. It works for him and it has worked for me. 

 

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Off and on from 1999 to 2011, our shop had a booth at various technical colleges’ career fairs.  We hired several students to train as R&R techs with the hopes of moving them up to rebuilding.  We didn’t have a very good experience with ITT Technical College in SLC nor WyoTech College in Laramie, Wyoming.  The best employee we ever hired out of a technical college came from Salt Lake Community College.  Both ITT and WyoTech are for-profit colleges.  WyoTech is part of the Corinthian College system.

 
Around 2014 or so, both ITT and WyoTech filed for bankruptcy and eventually went out of business, but I didn’t really understand why until now.  The story of why these colleges failed is the subject of a half-hour documentary on PBS’s Frontline.  Before you decide to get involved with a for-profit college, I would like to suggest to watch the short documentary, A Subprime Education, online at https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/a-subprime-education/   
 
It will also make sense why our federal government has also instituted a “student loan forgiveness” program to help students who can’t find a job in the field they were allegedly educated in.  Sad, sad, sad.
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34 minutes ago, Transmission Repair said:

Off and on from 1999 to 2011, our shop had a booth at various technical colleges’ career fairs.  We hired several students to train as R&R techs with the hopes of moving them up to rebuilding.  We didn’t have a very good experience with ITT Technical College in SLC nor WyoTech College in Laramie, Wyoming.  The best employee we ever hired out of a technical college came from Salt Lake Community College.  Both ITT and WyoTech are for-profit colleges.  WyoTech is part of the Corinthian College system.

 
Around 2014 or so, both ITT and WyoTech filed for bankruptcy and eventually went out of business, but I didn’t really understand why until now.  The story of why these colleges failed is the subject of a half-hour documentary on PBS’s Frontline.  Before you decide to get involved with a for-profit college, I would like to suggest to watch the short documentary, A Subprime Education, online at https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/a-subprime-education/   
 
It will also make sense why our federal government has also instituted a “student loan forgiveness” program to help students who can’t find a job in the field they were allegedly educated in.  Sad, sad, sad.

yes they are more interested in attendance than training... A sad state of affairs, money money money .. I could go on and on ranting about this kind of stuff but will spare everyone 

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On 4/23/2018 at 10:42 AM, Mike the Mechanic said:

This is the most recent add that we put up on a number of locations. It was effective for me:

Regards, Mike

Import repair Technician well versed in diagnostics.

Company Type: Independent Repair Service
Start Date: Immediate
Posted by: Michael Moench

Technician would be responsible for inspecting, diagnosing and estimating repairs while working with a top notch service manager. Technician would be trained on all shop diagnostic equipment. Training and continuing education from multiple sources is available and is paid for by employer. $18 to $30 per hour plus benefits. Vacation pay plus shared health care.

We believe in hiring the right talent and letting them make their money! Tired of working someplace where you're just a number? We are a family owned and operated shop that's looking for you!

We are looking for an experienced Technician who wants an environment where they can be the professional that they are.

Pay is based on experience and ability. Great opportunities for all Techs and we are e$pecially interested if YOU have European and Asian import experience. Why else consider J B Import Automotive Repair? How about:

  • 5 day work week
  • NO Saturdays or Sundays; our Techs make great pay without cutting into family or personal time
  • Modern shop
  • Well-maintained equipment
  • Plenty of room and lifts for our Techs
  • Bright well maintained work areas
  • All the latest software and computer terminals in our shop
  • Professional Service Advisors who respect our Techs
  • Our customers trust our shop so we always have plenty of good business for our Techs year-round

*Even if YOU have never worked in an independent shop, we invite you to talk to us to find out more about our shop, our work and our area!

*Techs, retail warranty work here. Get paid fairly on EVERY job!

*Submit YOUR resume with confidence that all contacts with us are completely confidential. Do it TODAY!

Our benefits include:

  • Health Insurance
  • Disability Coverage
  • Paid Vacation
  • Paid Holidays
  • Provided Uniforms
  • Continued Paid Training

Nice Job Post!

With your permission, I would like to use it.

Best Regards.

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On 4/19/2018 at 3:57 PM, Hands On said:

I need to find some employees fast and I am having no luck, anyone willing to help me write an advertisement or help me with postings, over the phone or through e-mail, please let me know.

Just found this, not feeling good about this.

https://www.indeed.com/forum/job/automotive-technician/can-t-do-it-anymore/t459836

So... .what are you guys complaining about a mechanic shortage for?  Do you think it's better to be in an industry with an over supply of labor forcing prices down or an industry where you're in demand? I think you should embrace the shortage. A really large computer manufacturer where I live adjusted from making computers to tech services because anyone could buy chips and an operating system and there wasnt any profit in it for them anymore. They went from being unique in the beginning to just another commodity. Now we have the chance to be more in control of our pricing because of the shortage. Dont ignore that. If you're a real pro with quality at the top of your list you're in demand. Realize it and charge for it. You deserve a good living and sometimes smaller is even better. You can purge yourself of the low quality customers while you're shorthanded, charge an amount that's more fair to you and build from there. 

That's my old and tired perspective. ........

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      The Technician Shortage Is Our Fault, And It's Time We Own It
      Nearly every day, I hear shop owners complain: "There's a technician shortage. We can't find qualified people. There's no one out there." If that's true, then who's to blame?
      The industry? The schools? The government? I don't know how you feel, but who promised us an endless supply of qualified technicians?
      Another common complaint is that young people do not want to work in the trades. Well, if that were true, then why are other trades such as HVAC, electrical, and plumbing growing? What are they doing that the automotive industry is not? 
      Here's the reality we need to face: We do have a problem, but we shouldn't look for someone or any entity to rescue us. Not the government. Not the trade schools. Not the recruiting companies. No one owes us a workforce. If we want great people in our industry, it's up to us. At some point, we need to own up to the truth: Building a pipeline of qualified technicians is our responsibility.
      In this blog article, I will break down the key reasons we are in this situation today and what we, as an industry, can do to solve the technician shortage. Are you ready to look in the mirror?
      Have We Pushed Technicians Away?
      Let's take a look at flat-rate pay. True flat rate, which pays a technician only for the hours they produce, is a controversial pay plan that emphasizes high production levels and creates a competitive work environment that, if not properly controlled, can lead to increased mistakes and a decline in morale and team spirit. Additionally, the stress and physical demands placed on technicians as they age are not favorable to long-term employee retention. What do we do with technicians as they grow older into their fifties and begin to slow down? 
      I have heard all the arguments and pros and cons of flat-rate pay, and I am not going to judge any pay plan. Let the facts speak for themselves. True flat rate has changed in most areas around the country and has evolved into a pay plan that gives technicians some pay guarantee.
      Many shop owners have learned that team morale, along with the opportunity to earn income, is important to technicians and to the company's long-term success. But let me ask you: how many technicians have left or been pushed out over the years because of the old flat-rate pay system?
      Another issue is the workplace environment. I remember being grateful to be hired as a young technician at a local repair shop. While very thankful, the work environment was not ideal. The shop owner kept the bay doors open year-round (I am from New York) unless it rained or snowed. He felt that if the bay doors were closed, customers might think we were closed for business. We had no heat and no hot water. Many of the jobs were done outside, year-round,  in all types of weather. The starting pay was minimum wage, with no benefits, sick days, or vacation pay. 
      Now, again, I need to point out that I was truly grateful for the opportunity this shop owner gave me. I learned a lot working there, and the experience was pivotal in my career. But looking back, I wonder how many people were discouraged by these working conditions?
      While the physical demands of the repair workplace are daunting, perhaps even more critical is the culture. Too many of my generation shop owners preached the mindset of "my way or the highway." We were the business owners, after all. We started our companies, took all the risks, and provided jobs. Why shouldn't we be the ones to set the ground rules our way?   
      Many of us found over the years that the "my way or the highway" mentality was a sure way to isolate employees and make them more likely to look over the fence for greener grass. In other words, it led many technicians to seek employment elsewhere, where they felt they could be appreciated and recognized for their hard work. The issue, however, was that there wasn't much green grass around. Disappointment after disappointment, bouncing from repair to repair shop, eventually led to despair. So, I ask you: were workplace conditions a contributing factor in today's technician shortage?
      Another factor that we are all well aware of is the complexity of the modern automobile. When I started, the work was mostly physical, and you were required to master essentially three vehicle models: General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. Let's fast-forward to today. The evolution of automotive technology, along with the extensive training and tools required, has outpaced the typical technician's pay compensation, with no clear career path. Again, leading to frustration and insecurity about the future.
      Here is the bottom line: people don't leave their job; they leave their experience. We must do a better job. 
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      First, shop owners must become better leaders and understand that their ultimate success is directly dependent on the people they assemble around them. Any shop owner who mistakenly believes they can build an empire solely on their abilities is destined for serious disappointment. Business owners who think like this will eventually plateau. Without the collective contributions from a team of qualified people, your business will stall; it will not continue to grow.
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      Next, shop owners must become more financially knowledgeable. Knowing your numbers and what you need to achieve for a strong bottom-line profit is essential to paying technicians the money they need and deserve. Profit will also allow you to compete with other trade industries by providing a benefits package that has real take-home value and security.
      When it comes to culture, this is where the rubber hits the road. People crave recognition, praise, and a sense of purpose. Despite what you hear, people are not just money-motivated. Once people feel secure in their financial situation, retaining and motivating technicians can only be achieved by connecting with them on an emotional level. You cannot show enough appreciation. Give out praise for a job well done as if your business depended on it, because it does.
      As technicians age, we need to have a place for them. Expecting a 58-year-old to perform like a 35-year-old is unrealistic. We need to be more focused on career pathing. Provide training, skill development, and coaching to develop leaders and mentors within our older workforce. While their bodies may have slowed, the knowledge they have gained is priceless. 
      Our future is dependent on young people entering our industry. We need to give more young people opportunities. Every shop owner across the country should consider hiring an apprentice, then build an apprentice training plan and career path for them. If every shop did this, we could solve the technician shortage within five years. Get involved with the trade schools and high schools in your area. Look into the NAPA Apprenticeship Program. Don't sit on your hands with this one. Do it today.
      Lastly, don't get left behind. Commit to ongoing training for all your employees. Keep up to date with tools and equipment tailored to your business model. Don't try to be all things to all people and all vehicles. Identify your core profile customer and the vehicles they drive, and become an expert on those vehicles and the services you offer.
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