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So right now im my shop I am dealing with a customer who is claiming we scratched there car in like 5 different places. Unfortunately we have been slacking on the pre existing damage report. Because really my multi point inspection form does not have a good one. Its just a 3 inch by 1 1/2 picture of a car and we are to circle the damaged areas. Now in this case here on out final road test a rock from a truck hit the windshield and put a nice chip in it. I called teh customer and explained what happened and told her I would replace the windshield for her which I did. Now half hour after she picks it up she is claiming of all this damage on the car. She stopped by today to show me the damage and it is on the d/s and p/s/ front door and a little on the fenders. Its not like one scratch its multiple blemishes obviously not caused at the same time. So being a new business and concerned with her blasting me on the internet I am most likely going to take this one on the chin and get it fixed. She had brought me in 2 estimates for 1000 dollars. I told her to go to MAACO and they gave me an estimate for 525. The thing that really bugs me is she kinda just wants me to cut her a check for 500 bucks so it appears she is obviously just is looking for money. How would you handle this?

 

Also in the future I am going to be doing a pre existing damage report on each car that is dropped off. But lets face it, most of the cars we see are 100k miles plus with multiple blemishes on them. What is the tolerance of what you are marking down? And even if you have the report they can always claim you added that in.

 

 

 

Thoughts?

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I have come so close to offering discounts for online reviews... Then I realized the car lot down the road has 3 reviews. 1 says the salesman put his hand on her leg and told her to take a back road and find somewhere quiet, then told her he knows all the cops in town and they would never believe/listen to her. The other said the car lot sneaks onto your property at night and steals parts off the car they just sold you... Point being, these reviews are 3 years old and the car lot is doing just fine.

 

A negative review won't kill your business. Certainly not saying they are pointless and ignore them, but they are not the end of the world. And she might not even leave a review at all. It already sounds like a customer you don't want. It's OK to fire her as a customer. All she is going to do is hurt your bottom line, which makes it harder for you to stay in business and provide good service at an affordable price to better people.

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i hear a lot about "firing the customer" - what exactly does that mean other then just declining to work on their car?

 

so your saying in my situation you would just tell the customer to take a hike basically?

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I've only had to 'fire' 1 customer before. It consisted of telling them we will not work on their car and please do not return again. All was done politely in the office, closed door. No arguing, no revisiting what was said, no misunderstanding. Plain and simple, I respectfully decline to work on your car because we feel like neither party will be satisfied in the end.

 

In your case, yes, I would tell the customer to 'take a hike' IF you truly believe that you did not cause the damage. If you ABSOLUTELY KNOW that you or your employees did not cause the damage, I would not back down. SOME customers will take advantage of you if you let them. I would say to consider how good of customer they have been so far (bought all recommendations?), but it doesn't sound like they have much of track record to go off of.

 

Exercise your best judgement, but I wouldn't fix someones scratches just because they threatened me with negative online reviews. If the customer actually threatens with a negative review, I'd probably mention something about slander, unsubstantiated allegations, and compensation for loss of business.

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I have to agree seems like you are being taken advantage. She might think in her mind she is right but let's be honest here... She probably has no idea what her car looks like on a week to week basis let alone day to day. If I were you I would probably explain that you were honest enough to admit to the windshield however you feel like you are being taken advantage of. I know it's a hard situation and I feel like you are probably leaning toward caving in. Best of luck to you.

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Insomniac,

 

You're in a difficult position for sure. I know taking vehicle condition photos will not help in this particular instance, but I would highly recommend taking them in the future. Shops have found photos to be helpful in instances where vehicles are dropped off with noticeable damage. This can help cover you should a customer claim the vehicle was damaged while at your shop.

 

Photos are also helpful to document which repairs are needed. If you'd like to learn more, please take a look at our blog: http://boltontechnology.com/photos-help-shops-sell-more-services/

 

Good luck to you.

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Mike brings up a great point that I completely forgot. I can't tell you how many times I have taken pictures of doors, dashes, seats, etc with my phone before I started working on them. I don't tell the customer, but I make sure my phone dates and times the photo. This avoids walking around the vehicle with the customer and pointing out every little detail, but covers me on some things that I feel I might be walking into. Great idea. Not sure if this would help in your situation since it sounds like she is complaining about arbitrary damages, but hope it helps some.

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here is another situation im in at my other shop: (and i swear this isnt the norm..lol) Customer comes in for a oil change and tire rotation in september then in november the guys studs break and wheel falls off.... guys is blaming it on us... is that possible 2 months later? He claims the wheels were over torqued... but 2 months really? Guy goes to the BBB demanding 1100 dollars for 4 new rims because his aftermarket wheel is no longer available....

 

bad week

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http://www.crashforensics.com/wheelandhubfailures.cfm

Over and under torque are both a problem that can cause wheel issues. Using an impact, lubricant or copper coat can cause severe over torque of lug nuts.

Do you mark down what the wheels were torqued to on your work orders? This would be the easiest way to prove that you didn't over torque them.

 

You might have to take a long hard look around to find a single rim for the guy, I find it hard to believe that they are completely gone off the face of the earth.

It might also be time to update your procedures in your shop so this can't happen again.

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1. Insomniac is DEFINITELY being taken advantage of and should not repair anything.

2. Get Dropbox on your phone so every picture you take is automatically uploaded to the cloud with a name which is the time/date stamp.

3. Studs snap when a car is driven with a loose wheel. The weight of the vehicle pushes the rim away from the hub 1 time for every tire revolution. At 30 mph this is allot of force on the lug stud and eventually snaps clean off. Kind of like bending a coat hanger fast until it snaps. If your lucky the customer will pull over when they here the "THUD", "THUD","THUD","THUD".

 

This happened to me just yesterday on a 1998 Mercury Mystique. I reviewed the video for December 1, 2014 and I can see the tech getting side tracked and skipping the wheel torque step. Fair is fair so I am paying for the complete repair including the fender.

 

We use a torque stick on every wheel. My tire tech uses a torque stick and then he verifies the torque with a torque wrench. Our invoice disclaimer states: "Lug nuts should be re-torqued after 200 to 500 miles. Call (401) 681-4994 to schedule your re-torque." 2 people in 5 years actually read it and came in.

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We had a gal come in with a van she dropped off for service. We worked on the van she picks it up and then tells me we dented the fender. The fender that was dented was all rusted where it was hit so I knew that was not new. I asked

 

the guys in the shop, they told me that it was there when she came in. After spending approx 2 hours looking at video from our camera system, i could clearly see that dent was there from the first moment she pulled into the parking lot.

 

By the way, she was also demanding cash instead of repairing the vehicle, I showed her the video which showed her pulling in and the dent was there when she first pulled in. After that she just tells me that it's possible she got hit when

 

she was at Safeway before she came here. Not even an apology for wasting my time. Jeez. a customer I DON'T want back.

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We take pictures using auto vitals program and we let our customers know we do this so it allows them to see how professional we are and how it protects all parties.

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      The Technician Shortage Is Our Fault, And It's Time We Own It
      Nearly every day, I hear shop owners complain: "There's a technician shortage. We can't find qualified people. There's no one out there." If that's true, then who's to blame?
      The industry? The schools? The government? I don't know how you feel, but who promised us an endless supply of qualified technicians?
      Another common complaint is that young people do not want to work in the trades. Well, if that were true, then why are other trades such as HVAC, electrical, and plumbing growing? What are they doing that the automotive industry is not? 
      Here's the reality we need to face: We do have a problem, but we shouldn't look for someone or any entity to rescue us. Not the government. Not the trade schools. Not the recruiting companies. No one owes us a workforce. If we want great people in our industry, it's up to us. At some point, we need to own up to the truth: Building a pipeline of qualified technicians is our responsibility.
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      Let's take a look at flat-rate pay. True flat rate, which pays a technician only for the hours they produce, is a controversial pay plan that emphasizes high production levels and creates a competitive work environment that, if not properly controlled, can lead to increased mistakes and a decline in morale and team spirit. Additionally, the stress and physical demands placed on technicians as they age are not favorable to long-term employee retention. What do we do with technicians as they grow older into their fifties and begin to slow down? 
      I have heard all the arguments and pros and cons of flat-rate pay, and I am not going to judge any pay plan. Let the facts speak for themselves. True flat rate has changed in most areas around the country and has evolved into a pay plan that gives technicians some pay guarantee.
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      Another issue is the workplace environment. I remember being grateful to be hired as a young technician at a local repair shop. While very thankful, the work environment was not ideal. The shop owner kept the bay doors open year-round (I am from New York) unless it rained or snowed. He felt that if the bay doors were closed, customers might think we were closed for business. We had no heat and no hot water. Many of the jobs were done outside, year-round,  in all types of weather. The starting pay was minimum wage, with no benefits, sick days, or vacation pay. 
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      While the physical demands of the repair workplace are daunting, perhaps even more critical is the culture. Too many of my generation shop owners preached the mindset of "my way or the highway." We were the business owners, after all. We started our companies, took all the risks, and provided jobs. Why shouldn't we be the ones to set the ground rules our way?   
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      Our future is dependent on young people entering our industry. We need to give more young people opportunities. Every shop owner across the country should consider hiring an apprentice, then build an apprentice training plan and career path for them. If every shop did this, we could solve the technician shortage within five years. Get involved with the trade schools and high schools in your area. Look into the NAPA Apprenticeship Program. Don't sit on your hands with this one. Do it today.
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