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In my view is all a matter of education. People that work at shops where they like to denigrate other shops have not being taugh that it damages our industry and reputation collectively.

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I have had several (new) customers in the past months tell me that a couple local (so called shops) have told them to never take their car to us because we are rip off artists ??

One shop in particular has no name on their building and unless you stop on the busy street at the building in front of theirs you have no clue they work on cars back there.

I don't know if I am to honest or what but if it doesn't need replaced I wont throw parts at a perfectly good vehicle just to make money (its a waste of my time) and I feel if the customer finds out that makes me look bad and very dishonest.

Like I said in my own thread I have enough problems with the local tech school grinding out so called techs like so much ground hamburger a semester claiming to know it all and can do it cheaper.

But like I have always said cheaper is not always better and bad mouthing someone's shop you never met or had a personal contact with is just asinine.

I have tried contacting a couple shops where people have had their cars to explain the customers concerns as they were told to me and they have no interest in listening to you they just want it all to go away as if they don't care if the customer ever comes back or not.

which in the long run only gets you a bad reputation and puts the other local shops in the they are all crooks category.

 

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When I was a young pup starting out in this "trade" (early 70's) I worked at a Service Station.  The owner went on trips arranged by a local parts store with many other area shop owners every year.  Not only did this prevent us from knocking the competition - it actually enhanced our businesses as we could recommend our buddies up the road for car-lines they might specialize in or services they performed that we didn't.  And THAT was really good for our industry...  Plus the trips sounded like FUN!!!

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in my experience with shops bad mouthing others is that the shop doing the bad mouthing is in a bad way trying to get customers, the reason being that they are probably a worse shop than the one that they are bad mouthing

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We had something similar happen not too long ago. We too asked the other shop to describe their findings, recommendations, and cost of the repairs on their own Letterhead. They declined our request. Needless to say they made us look bad in front of the customer, though hesitated to put things in black and white.... as it can be held against them.

Seems somewhat of an industry standard sadly...... 

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I think why most of the shops around here will not write their cost down is because some of the customers like to try and strong arm the better /more qualified shops into compromising their service and price because someone else claims on paper they can do it better and cheaper.

I for one don't have a problem talking to another shop about a problem or concern but I will not cheapen myself to keep a customer from running to the cheaper deal which we all know is not always better.

Because if I cheapen my standards to keep that customer once they will try it every time its almost like being prostituted for services rendered .

 

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Imo, this statement is the key to improving our image and customer perception(well done):

" I proceeded to call the shop where the worked was performed and had them fax me a copy of the paperwork so I would be prepared when they came in."

It is absolutely part of our job as professionals to call other shops and get the full story and backup documentation in a presumed warranty situation. When this industry gets in trouble is when we think it is OK to go ahead and do the work the "right way", charge the customer and then throw it back in the customers lap to deal with the previous shop on a presumed warranty situation.

 

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There is a local kia dealer here in town.

I have talked to a very nice woman there who will give you the entire story not just the basic answers

However their service after the sale (SUCKS) in the opinion of multiple customers, who have gone back just to be told well that used car you bought last week well your troubles are not covered under the warranty or oops you bought that car as is .

I cannot say for a fact that their used cars are patched up just for quick sales but as a car dealer with multiple dealerships through out the state you think you would treat your customers with just a little more care than (well we got your money now hit the road)

This type of complaint can be found on all forms of social media about all his dealerships which is something I try not to let happen at my shop.

I tell my customers if something is wrong with a repair I performed come back and I will make it right at no extra cost to you.

However on the flip side of that coin I have had customers want me to fix cars from other shops for free or other troubles that crop up with their vehicle months or years down the road not related to my repair but just because I touched it last.

 

 

 

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