Quantcast
Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Posted

I am looking to purchase the Hunter Road Force Balancer and wondering if anyone has one and would like feedback on it. Any help will be appreciated.

 

I have one. I like it but don't sell many road force balance jobs. Comes in handy when hunting a problem.

Can be used to build value in your tire sales but it is hard to get customers to pay more because of the road force balance. A good balancer is probably sufficient for most jobs. I feel like it does a great job but won't bring in tons of money. Could be our lack of sales ability also. My opinion is if you want to own the best buy it, if you are expecting to increase revenue dramatically becasue you have it don't expect that.

  • 2 years later...
Posted

I've used the machine many times ... it adds roughly ten minutes to the tire job due to the increased amount of time waiting for the road force arm to swing down. The machine also costs 2-3x more than a traditional balancer.

 

The industry is divided on these. From what I have gathered, Discount Tires does not believe in them and no longer keeps them in their stores. Kauffman Tire, however, will not build a store without a Road Force in it.

 

Anyone have more input here? We will be buying one or the other shortly.

Posted

Discount Tire here opened two years ago and they have a road force balancer.

 

Looks like I am mistaken, in that case. Have you seen any issues with your current balancer that would necessitate the Road Force?

Posted

One situation, I bought a used Hunter GSP9700 Roadforce balancer and used it on a 21" Rim setup running low profile tires. The wheel was a stock setup from the factory (Mounted and balanced from factory). When driving at freeway speeds (approx 65-75) there will be periodic vibrations with the vehicle. I thought it may be the road. I drove on different lanes and different freeways (asphalt and concrete). Threw the tire on the balancer, no problems... The wheel was balanced. I enabled the roadforce on the machine, and it complained that the Roadforce variations were high for one of the wheels (approx 26 lbs). After match mounting the tire to the wheel, it reduced it down to 12 lbs. I match mounted the remaining wheels and and re-balanced. I test drove the vehicle again. The vibrations were gone. I personally believe it makes it difference, but more prevalent with larger rims with lower profile tires. Trucks/SUV have more tolerance than sedans than sport cars. If possible, I try to reduce the roadforce variation to under 15 lbs. The machine has a maximum setting of 26 lbs, but I think it is more for sedans. Trucks/Suv are higher.

 

Just my .02.

 

  • Like 1
Posted

The dealership I worked at (just a few months ago), all they had were Hunter road-force balancers. Everyone who worked there pretty much used the road-force feature on every balance... Especially when putting on new tires. It really doesn't add that much time to a balance either. I'm gonna guess it adds about 15 seconds per tire to measure road-force.

 

Like AutoFanatic experienced, I have seen cars with vibration issues at highway speeds and the tires would balance just fine. Checking the road-force however would show you they all needed to be adjusted.........One important caveat to this, however. When checking road-force on new tires, sometimes you can get a false reading. I remember certain Michelin tires would show 90+ lbs of road-force but wouldn't experience any type of vibration during driving. Chuck em back up after driving on them for maybe 2 miles and the road-force readings would come back down to normal... Was it just flat-spotting or something similar, I dunno? Just FYI.

 

Anyway, more times than not, it was helpful and kept us from getting chewed out for vibration issues with brand new tires. Or helped quickly identify the source of a vibration that you otherwise wouldn't be able to find... If nothing else, it keeps you from sending customers to the 'other shop' to get it fixed

  • Like 2
Posted (edited)

I have never used one myself, but here is a pretty extensive review from the actual user/customer.

http://www.355nation.net/forum/reviews/16385-review-hunter-gsp9700-road-force-wheel-balancing.html

The problem for me is the cost, from what i have seen, around $10k more (new) than a regular Hunter balancer :(

You'd have to put lots of tires through it at reasonably inflated price per balance, to make it worth the money imo.

Now I understand why AutoFantic considers this to be a good deal:

 

"If you are willing to pay for shipping, this is a good deal on this unit.

 

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/tld/4075179435.html

 

I have seen several of his products that he refurbishes... He also has a 30 day warranty."

Edited by nmikmik
Posted

In keeping withe the general tone of this post, I have used a Hunter RF balancer and think it does a great job, especially for vibration issues. When i worked at the dealer, it was great for condemning brand new tires that were causing a vibration. I do own one in one of my shops now, and most of the time it is used as a regular balancer. The only time the road force is used is if diagnosing a vibration issue, or when mounting tires on one of my vehicles :rolleyes: . They are a good tool to have, but you wont generate huge $$ from one.

  • 3 months later...
Posted

We have owned road force balancers for 10+ years now. Wouldn't think of mounting a tire/wheel combo without it. The oppertunities to find and correct issues is many. One of the best ROI of any piece of equipment I have seen.

  • Like 1
Posted

For me this is a nice to have can't afford item.

 

I don't know how yall feel about used equipment, but I've seen quite a few of these 2001-2006 Road Force balancers reconditioned with new spindles and screens on Craigslist for $4000 - $6500 with warranty. Still pretty expensive, but it beats paying $14k for one.

Posted

 

I don't know how yall feel about used equipment, but I've seen quite a few of these 2001-2006 Road Force balancers reconditioned with new spindles and screens on Craigslist for $4000 - $6500 with warranty. Still pretty expensive, but it beats paying $14k for one.

 

There are at least 4 or 5 generations of Road Force Balancers. The range of years you post are of the 1st and 2nd generation. Though better then other brands new balancers in my opinion. The 1st gen I would pass over. The 2nd and 3rd could serve you good. With lateral force then you would be in pretty good position

 

As far as the cost goes I'm not sure you are considering this expense properly. There are profitable and non profitable expenses. I put this one into the profitable category.

Posted

 

There are at least 4 or 5 generations of Road Force Balancers. The range of years you post are of the 1st and 2nd generation. Though better then other brands new balancers in my opinion. The 1st gen I would pass over. The 2nd and 3rd could serve you good. With lateral force then you would be in pretty good position

 

Spence, could you elaborate on this a bit more? What are the differences between the various generations?

Posted

 

Spence, could you elaborate on this a bit more? What are the differences between the various generations?

 

Sure Wes,

 

The 1st generation had a small roller then the later versions. I believe it was 4 or 5 inches in diameter. Don't hold me to that but what I can do is measure the diameter of mine tomorrow and let you know. The later versions were almost twice the diameter. The lateral force was an option. It can not be added to an existing model even of the same generation. Well worth the extra money to have that option.

  • 4 weeks later...
Posted

The other part you are missing is the smart weight feature. I keep track of the weight use on both the hunter and coats machine we have the road force does save you money in wheel weights. I love mine and don't we don't give the customer options they get road forced if I have to take the time to do it again its a loss of revenue. just my two cents. we don't have a problem with spending that kind of of money on a toolbox or scanner why not a balancer?

  • 7 months later...
Posted

Bringing this back to life... I believe my next purchase is going to a RF Balancer. I currently have all Bosch equipment and I am a Bosch Service Center. Long story short I have had about enough with Bosch equipment! Currently my balancer is down due to faulty calibration. Also our alignment machine seems to be acting up. Ever since I've gotten my Bosch equipment we have had issues. I have never been fully confident with them and my lack of alignment and tire sales show it. Hell even my top of the line Bosch tire machine let's me down more often then not! Btw we have to try to service all our own equipment because there is no Bosch tech local to us. Very upsetting considering I have a lot of $$$ tied up in this stuff however I had a alignment customer just today that we attempted 4 alignments on 3 different days. Tons of labor hours wasted along with looking terrible in front of the customer. Also had a thumping vibration issue with a customers car we ended up tearing his whole suspension apart come to find out it was a faulty tire. Ugh!!!!!

Posted (edited)

I don't have much experience with other brands of balancers, but I know when I was using a hunter RF balancer, we fixed a lot of vibration issues that other shops couldn't fix. I'm saving up for one right now. New is expensive, used are hard to find.

 

Had a previous shop owner stop by my place just yesterday and he pretty much told me not to buy anything but a RF balancer. He worked at a huge local tire shop...

Edited by mmotley
Posted

I'm past the phase of buying used equipment. I want the latest and greatest with full support. Years of frustration trying to save money. Just charge what your service is worth, do an excellent job at it and let the pros worry about repairs etc. Financing is an amazing thing lol

Posted

Sorry to hear about all your problems with your equipment. I own a Ranger tire machine and balancer and they have served me well. I recently picked up a 2nd gen RF balancer a few months ago for $1300. Just keep your eyes open.

  • 3 months later...

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Available Subscriptions

  • Have you checked out Joe's Latest Blog?

         0 comments
      The Technician Shortage Is Our Fault, And It's Time We Own It
      Nearly every day, I hear shop owners complain: "There's a technician shortage. We can't find qualified people. There's no one out there." If that's true, then who's to blame?
      The industry? The schools? The government? I don't know how you feel, but who promised us an endless supply of qualified technicians?
      Another common complaint is that young people do not want to work in the trades. Well, if that were true, then why are other trades such as HVAC, electrical, and plumbing growing? What are they doing that the automotive industry is not? 
      Here's the reality we need to face: We do have a problem, but we shouldn't look for someone or any entity to rescue us. Not the government. Not the trade schools. Not the recruiting companies. No one owes us a workforce. If we want great people in our industry, it's up to us. At some point, we need to own up to the truth: Building a pipeline of qualified technicians is our responsibility.
      In this blog article, I will break down the key reasons we are in this situation today and what we, as an industry, can do to solve the technician shortage. Are you ready to look in the mirror?
      Have We Pushed Technicians Away?
      Let's take a look at flat-rate pay. True flat rate, which pays a technician only for the hours they produce, is a controversial pay plan that emphasizes high production levels and creates a competitive work environment that, if not properly controlled, can lead to increased mistakes and a decline in morale and team spirit. Additionally, the stress and physical demands placed on technicians as they age are not favorable to long-term employee retention. What do we do with technicians as they grow older into their fifties and begin to slow down? 
      I have heard all the arguments and pros and cons of flat-rate pay, and I am not going to judge any pay plan. Let the facts speak for themselves. True flat rate has changed in most areas around the country and has evolved into a pay plan that gives technicians some pay guarantee.
      Many shop owners have learned that team morale, along with the opportunity to earn income, is important to technicians and to the company's long-term success. But let me ask you: how many technicians have left or been pushed out over the years because of the old flat-rate pay system?
      Another issue is the workplace environment. I remember being grateful to be hired as a young technician at a local repair shop. While very thankful, the work environment was not ideal. The shop owner kept the bay doors open year-round (I am from New York) unless it rained or snowed. He felt that if the bay doors were closed, customers might think we were closed for business. We had no heat and no hot water. Many of the jobs were done outside, year-round,  in all types of weather. The starting pay was minimum wage, with no benefits, sick days, or vacation pay. 
      Now, again, I need to point out that I was truly grateful for the opportunity this shop owner gave me. I learned a lot working there, and the experience was pivotal in my career. But looking back, I wonder how many people were discouraged by these working conditions?
      While the physical demands of the repair workplace are daunting, perhaps even more critical is the culture. Too many of my generation shop owners preached the mindset of "my way or the highway." We were the business owners, after all. We started our companies, took all the risks, and provided jobs. Why shouldn't we be the ones to set the ground rules our way?   
      Many of us found over the years that the "my way or the highway" mentality was a sure way to isolate employees and make them more likely to look over the fence for greener grass. In other words, it led many technicians to seek employment elsewhere, where they felt they could be appreciated and recognized for their hard work. The issue, however, was that there wasn't much green grass around. Disappointment after disappointment, bouncing from repair to repair shop, eventually led to despair. So, I ask you: were workplace conditions a contributing factor in today's technician shortage?
      Another factor that we are all well aware of is the complexity of the modern automobile. When I started, the work was mostly physical, and you were required to master essentially three vehicle models: General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. Let's fast-forward to today. The evolution of automotive technology, along with the extensive training and tools required, has outpaced the typical technician's pay compensation, with no clear career path. Again, leading to frustration and insecurity about the future.
      Here is the bottom line: people don't leave their job; they leave their experience. We must do a better job. 
      The News Isn't all Bad; Your Next Steps to Fix the Technician Shortage
      To fix the technician shortage, it will take a combined effort from everyone in the automotive industry, particularly automotive shop owners. Shop owners are in the perfect position to make the greatest impact, not only on their businesses but also on the future automotive workforce.
      First, shop owners must become better leaders and understand that their ultimate success is directly dependent on the people they assemble around them. Any shop owner who mistakenly believes they can build an empire solely on their abilities is destined for serious disappointment. Business owners who think like this will eventually plateau. Without the collective contributions from a team of qualified people, your business will stall; it will not continue to grow.
      Create a workplace that attracts top talent: a clean, professional, well-equipped facility designed to support productivity, teamwork, and a career, not just a job. Build a great reputation in your community by getting involved locally. Become the auto repair shop that people take notice of as "the" place to work.
      Next, shop owners must become more financially knowledgeable. Knowing your numbers and what you need to achieve for a strong bottom-line profit is essential to paying technicians the money they need and deserve. Profit will also allow you to compete with other trade industries by providing a benefits package that has real take-home value and security.
      When it comes to culture, this is where the rubber hits the road. People crave recognition, praise, and a sense of purpose. Despite what you hear, people are not just money-motivated. Once people feel secure in their financial situation, retaining and motivating technicians can only be achieved by connecting with them on an emotional level. You cannot show enough appreciation. Give out praise for a job well done as if your business depended on it, because it does.
      As technicians age, we need to have a place for them. Expecting a 58-year-old to perform like a 35-year-old is unrealistic. We need to be more focused on career pathing. Provide training, skill development, and coaching to develop leaders and mentors within our older workforce. While their bodies may have slowed, the knowledge they have gained is priceless. 
      Our future is dependent on young people entering our industry. We need to give more young people opportunities. Every shop owner across the country should consider hiring an apprentice, then build an apprentice training plan and career path for them. If every shop did this, we could solve the technician shortage within five years. Get involved with the trade schools and high schools in your area. Look into the NAPA Apprenticeship Program. Don't sit on your hands with this one. Do it today.
      Lastly, don't get left behind. Commit to ongoing training for all your employees. Keep up to date with tools and equipment tailored to your business model. Don't try to be all things to all people and all vehicles. Identify your core profile customer and the vehicles they drive, and become an expert on those vehicles and the services you offer.
  • Similar Topics

    • By DavisL
      Hey all, Davis here, new to the forum. I built evqualified.com, a free directory that helps EV owners find shops based on verified credentials (ASE certs, EV training, high-voltage safety) instead of reviews or paid ads.
      EV ownership is growing fast and most owners have no idea where to take their car. They don't trust Google reviews to tell them who's actually qualified to work on a 400-800V system. That's the gap this fills.
      If your shop does any EV or hybrid work, even basic stuff like 12V batteries, brake service, tire rotation. You qualify for a listing. Takes 2 minutes to check if you're already on there or submit your shop. Here's the link https://www.evqualified.com/for-shops
       
      Curious to hear from anyone doing EV work:
      Are you seeing more EV customers coming in?
      What's the biggest challenge with adding EV service to your shop?
      Would a credential-based directory actually help you get more EV business?

      No cost, no catch. Just trying to build something useful for the industry. Again, here's the link to get added to the site https://www.evqualified.com/for-shops.
      Thanks!
       
    • By Drivi
      Hey everyone,
      I'm building a tool that helps auto repair shops plan preventive maintenance automatically — it predicts when each customer should come back, sends reminders, and helps keep the shop busy year-round.
      But before I go any further, I’d rather hear it from real shop owners:
      How many hours or bays do you usually have sitting empty every month?
      What percentage of your work is planned maintenance vs emergency jobs?
      Do you use any system right now to remind customers about service? How well does it work?
      What would make you not trust an AI system that claims to schedule customers automatically?
      I’m not here to pitch vaporware — I want to understand how shops actually think about preventive work and downtime.
      If a few of you are curious, I can share a short demo and would love your honest feedback.
      Thanks for sharing your experience — it’s worth way more than any market research report.
    • By Hands On
      The emailed me a form to sign up to be a "service provider" The company Service Up will send me the client. They will bill the client and pay me after the repair. Look at some of the highlights from the terms:
       All transactions completed through the Platform are subject to a transaction fee ranging from 1.99% to 10% of the gross amount of each repair, with a baseline marketplace fee of 3.99% unless otherwise specified in a fleet-specific addendum.
      The marketplace fee applicable to a given repair is one of the following:
      • 3.99% (baseline) of the gross amount of all repairs completed through the Platform for all other customers, including customers to whom ServiceUp has referred you.
      • A rate specified in a fleet-specific addendum, which overrides the baseline, provided such rate falls within the 1.99%–10% range stated above.
      In addition to the marketplace fee, the following optional fee may apply:
      • QuickPay fee — an additional 3.50% of the gross amount of the repair if you elect to receive early payment (typically next business day). In the event a credit card is used by the customer for payment, the 3.50% QuickPay fee will be automatically applied.
      So, the fee they charge is any where from 1.99% to 17% if they pay credit card and you want funds next day
      Company reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to modify, increase, decrease, or otherwise change the transaction fees, early payment fees, or any other amounts payable under these Terms at any time. 
      But those fees could go up with no notice at all
      The Company shall remit payment to you net of any applicable transaction fees as promptly as practicable after, and contingent upon, Company’s receipt of payment from the applicable fleet customer for the services rendered by you. 
      They will pay you for the work you did, as long as they are able to get paid.
      You acknowledge and agree that the Company shall not be responsible for any delays or failure to pay that may be caused by a fleet customer.
      And if the customer fails to pay them, too bad.
      You further acknowledge and agree that (i) the Company may withhold funds in the event of any dispute between you and the Company pending the resolution of such dispute, (ii) you shall not collect any fees for services rendered hereunder directly from a fleet customer and shall receive payment for such services solely from the Company, (iii) in the event the Company determines that you have violated the foregoing subsection (ii), the Company shall have the right to charge a penalty of 10% of the gross value of the applicable services and may withhold that amount from future payments or debit your bank account to recover the penalty and any applicable fees for services.
      AND if they customer fails to pay them and you go directly after the customer yourself, tack on another 10%
      So basically, you fix our cars, and we maybe pay you after we take fees.
      Has anyone used this platform? What do you think?
    • By bigbob556677
      Any other CCC one devs around?
      In CCC one for our group of body shops, I’m trying to perform an MT10720 request for an accounting session that my api user did not make (my user can view the report in the desktop app)
      but I’m getting the following back from the API
      <ErrorCode>303</ErrorCode>     <ErrorMessage>Accounting Export Session ID xxxxxx is not accessible for this user.</ErrorMessage> 
      The api can pull exports it creates, just not other users. Which doesn’t work well with our accounting flow. We need it to be able to pick up any export by any of our users.
      any idea what permissions /issues would be causing this?
      as an aside. Under the accounting permission, there’s an option for “Never allow export” or something similar. it’s not enabled, but that setting seems odd. Any idea what it does and is it perhaps connected to this issue?
      Our CCC Rep has been less than helpful, so I hope someone here would know a bit more about it than I do! haha
    • By nptrb

      Premium Member Content 

      This content is hidden to guests, one of the benefits of a paid membership. Please login or register to view this content.



  • Our Sponsors

×
×
  • Create New...