What are your thoughts on healthcare?

[Alex]

With the proposed healthcare reform, what are your thoughts on all of this?

 

Do you agree with the current healthcare proposals?

[xrac]

With the proposed healthcare reform, what are your thoughts on all of this?

 

Do you agree with the current healthcare proposals?

 

http://www.heartland.org/custom/semo.....;/pdf/25813.pdf

 

Example from the study:

 

 

Obama’s CEA Spills the Beans

A recent report from President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisors (CEA),21 which he has touted as showing how his plan would reduce health costs, describes explicit and comprehensive government rationing of health care.

 

Looking systematically at what works and what doesn’t in order to provide more high value care and less care that is of low value. For many types of medical conditions, a patient may have a choice of several methods or treatments, each having different benefits or risks. Systematic examinations of the merits of different treatments and dissemination of the results of these examinations to patients and providers is one mechanism for promoting high value health care. 22 (bold in the original)

 

In other words, a health care bureaucracy in Washington, DC – not you and your doctor – would decide what health care works and what doesn’t, what is high-value care and what is low-value

Care. Of course, this bureaucracy would not know you or anything about your illness, as your doctor does. But like all good central planners, the CEA and President Obama assume the

Government is omniscient.

 

21 The President’s Council of Economic Advisors, The Economic Case for Health Reform, June 2, 2009.

22 Id.

[xrac]

YouTube - John Stossel & 20/20 Take On Health Care Reform - President Obama's Proposed Health Care

 

 

Obviously, this post and the previous post indicates something about my views. Basically I believe in the free market and I do not want the government controlling health care or making health care decisions for me. Everything the government runs is filled with fraud, sloth, waste, and don't care attitude. Eventually this whole think will add to our tax burden. SS and Medicare are both slated to run out of money and instead of fixing those this administration wants to take on more programs and expenses.

[xrac]

YouTube - John Stossel & 20/20 Take On Health Care Reform - President Obama's Proposed Health Care

 

 

Obviously, this post and the previous post indicates something about my views. Basically I believe in the free market and I do not want the government controlling health care or making health care decisions for me. Everything the government runs is filled with fraud, sloth, waste, and don't care attitude. Eventually this whole think will add to our tax burden. SS and Medicare are both slated to run out of money and instead of fixing those this administration wants to take on more programs and expenses.

 

Obviously, I am passionately against this reform. Here is portions of an email I received:

 

Six facts about health care “reform” that every American needs to know.

 

1. It has life and death in the details. According to Cal Thomas, the small print may determine who lives and dies. He asks why we should trust government with health care when there are already so many things it does inefficiently…read the Washington Times article. Ask your representative, “Since almost no one has read the bill, should I be afraid of fine print hidden in health reform?”

 

2. It will subsidize abortion. According to Tony Perkins, President of Family Research Council, the health care “reform” plans being considered could subsidize abortion, create perverse incentives to euthanize the elderly, and force Christians to provide health care services that violate their conscience…read the Washington Times article. Ask your representative, “Would you vote for a plan that funds abortion?”

 

3. It will cost more. Health care expert Sally Pipes points out that politicians are being deceptive about the cost of this plan, but even the Congressional Budget Office has admitted that it will cost a trillion dollars, which will lead to increased taxes and bury future generations in debt. read the New York Post article. Ask your representative, “Why should Americans be saddled with higher taxes and more debt, especially during a severe recession?”

 

4. It’s based on false information. Stanford University professor Scott Atlas says Americans should not believe those who say that countries with government run systems have better health care than America. Despite the fact that politicians and the media repeat this myth, the evidence shows just the opposite. People in other countries are highly dissatisfied, and American still has one of the best health care systems in the world…read the National Center for Policy Analysis Report. Ask your representative, “Why do people in countries with government health care complain of long wait times and poor quality, while America continues to be responsible for the vast majority of medical innovations? ”

 

5. It will lead to worse health care. Award winning economist Thomas Sowell points out that health care “reform” plans are nothing more than price controls, which politicians have imposed for thousands of years. Price controls always result in reduced quality, shortages, and black markets…read the Investor’s Business Daily article. Ask your representative, “Why would Americans want worse health care, shortages, and black markets?”

 

6. It’s a government takeover. If the government is going to run health care, why not nationalize grocery stores, asks health care expert Richard Ralston…read the Orange County Register article. Ask your representative, “Isn’t it un-American to be forced to have an unelected federal official decide the details of what insurance I must buy or be fined?"

[Joe Marconi]

I am happy to see that there are still sane people left in this country. I too believe that the government has no place in society that was founded on a free market, free enterprise and the foundation that the PEOPLE shall be the determining factor in how we govern ourselves.

 

The idea that we need the government to bail us out and come to our aid will be our demise. The government has proven throughout history that it cannot successfully run anything. All it can do is to throw away more and more of our money (through increased taxes) in a feeble attempt to salvage failed programs.

[xrac]

I am happy to see that there are still sane people left in this country. I too believe that the government has no place in society that was founded on a free market, free enterprise and the foundation that the PEOPLE shall be the determining factor in how we govern ourselves.

 

The idea that we need the government to bail us out and come to our aid will be our demise. The government has proven throughout history that it cannot successfully run anything. All it can do is to throw away more and more of our money (through increased taxes) in a feeble attempt to salvage failed programs.

 

Well said! At least you and I are sane!

Edited August 16, 2009 by xrac

[Joe Marconi]

I never considered getting politically active, but I think the time has come for me (and I hope others who feel the way I do) to get more involved. We are headed down a slippery slope, and I fear we a putting our future in jeopardy. The youth of this country are being brainwashed and will end up paying dearly for the ills of today’s politicians.

 

Your thoughts?

[xrac]

I never considered getting politically active, but I think the time has come for me (and I hope others who feel the way I do) to get more involved. We are headed down a slippery slope, and I fear we a putting our future in jeopardy. The youth of this country are being brainwashed and will end up paying dearly for the ills of today’s politicians.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

I sometimes think we have already went too far and that we will eventually end up in anarchy with a different government. I have thought about politics including running for office. However, I live in a different county from my business and don't have the contacts in my county that I do in the adjoining. I am considering becoming more involved.

[Joe Marconi]

Let's hope it's not too late, but I do think that people like us need to be heard. I think we have an obligation to society. Shop owners are self-made sucess strories and understand core values.

 

I intend to get invloved with local organizations and get my voice heard.

[xrac]

Let's hope it's not too late, but I do think that people like us need to be heard. I think we have an obligation to society. Shop owners are self-made sucess strories and understand core values.

 

I intend to get invloved with local organizations and get my voice heard.

 

A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons a year of gasoline. A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 480 gallons a year.

 

So, the average clunker transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.

 

They claim 700,000 vehicles – so that's 224 million gallons / year.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels of oil is about ¼ of one day's US consumption.

And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl.

So, we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million.

How good a deal was that ???

 

They'll probably do a better job with health care though -- NOT!!