Notes From The Underground: Freedom Begins With Breaking The Mental Chains!

[HarrytheCarGeek]

Notes from the UNDERGROUND: FREEDOM begins with BREAKING the MENTAL CHAINS!
http://daviddegraw.org/notes-from-the-underground/

At this point, if you spend much time researching power politics or the distribution of wealth, resources and basic necessities, it seems evident and undeniable, dare I say, “common sense,” that we, in fact, live in a neo-feudal society built on debt and mental slavery.

That may sound like over-the-top rhetoric, and it obviously sounds extreme to propagandized and conditioned minds, and yes, it is extreme. However, it is the unfortunate reality of the present situation. The facts are there for the rational and unbiased mind to absorb and comprehend.

If you take a few minutes of your time and read this through, it will easily be proven. We will look at how the system works, and then, hopefully, we will begin the process of evolving society together, as grandiose as that may sound.

Let’s start by giving some context and perspective on present circumstances by breaking down some economic data. As Thomas Jefferson once said, “Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”
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[Jeff]

Some of this I agree with....most I do not. WE are all born with a free and clear conscience. At a certain age we all reach the age of understanding. At that point you can make a choice to participate in society or be a burden to society. I personally believe we all have our "lot" in life. You can improve upon it or ride it to the end. I was taught as a young man to work for what I wanted, to be proud of who I am and my accomplishments. Not everyone will be a millionaire, a Bill Gates, President etc. But if the world was a
"one-ness", all sharing and all caring, where would motivation and desire come from? I DO NOT agree with wealth redistribution. If you have the DESIRE to become a wealthy person then at that point you have the desire and you must develop your plan. You and only you are responsible for your plans to reach that goal. Every day we see "wealth" redistributed to the same areas of the world to save the hungry and the homeless. The problem is it is almost always the same areas, Haiti, Africa, S. America. Yes these are fellow humans, BUT they have no desire to better themselves or the need would be diminished. I am an old man and since I was a child there has been a call to help these blighted parts of the world. When do these fellow humans take responsibility for themselves? I could debate this subject forever and I am sure that it would be a hot subject. Do I feel for these impoverished persons? YES. But until they help themselves WE CANT HELP THEM!

[HarrytheCarGeek]

Hi Jeff.

 

I like your post, and felt exactly like you do. But in my opinion the author's point is not that of wealth redistribution for the sake of just being equitable. He is talking about the the way the monetary system is manipulated for the benefit of the very few that know how USURY works.

 

His main insight in my opinion is how the media is the main tool that keeps people within their mental prisons, I really like his article because it resonates with much of what I have found out for myself.

 

I know there will always be poor people, but by my own experience in business, the usurers always seemed to me to have a much bigger piece of my efforts than I did for me. His article has answered many question that I suspected were true from my perspective.

 

-Harry

[Jeff]

Harry I agree to a an extent. The truth of the matter is it takes money to make money. I myself am in the process oft trying to secure financing for growth. If I had money the banks would loan me all I could use. But I will take what I can get, use it to the best of my ability and hope the growth permits me to grow even more. My business model runs on a thinner margin than many, therefore I don't show the numbers. At the same time I sleep well at night knowing that I treated people as well as I could and made a profit, however small. And just for the record I average a 20% plus margin. Low overhead and watching the pennies keeps me going.

i do understand the markets and the banking system. I have even gone so far as to set up fictional trading accounts just to see how well I could do. Puts, holds, day trades, long holds, etc. I did OK. Its all a game that plays with money. And as side note my father who worked for a corporate farm company most of his life retired at 65 with more that 750k in the bank. Don't seem like much but not bad for a poor ole farm boy! He will be 78 in July and still has most of it.

[HarrytheCarGeek]

Jeff,

 

That's exactly it, the topic of what is money. You tell me that it takes money to make money, but I bet you if you really think about it, you will have a hell of a hard time describing what is money. Which by the way, in our present system, money is an agreement.

 

You talk about the markets and the banking system, but you are describing the system from an inside perspective, that is to say from a player and not a game maker perspective.

 

I tell you, it is truly terrifying once you begin to grasp what the USURERS have done to humanity. I don't fault you if you do not want to look deep into the system. I only did it out of desperation for the welfare of my children and future grandchildren.

[Jeff]

Harry it is not what the usurers have done but what the individuals have done to themselves. If you are foolish enough to borrow at silly rates, make foolish investments, fail to save and make wise decisions concerning your future then you got what ya asked for. There again it comes down to being responsible for yourself and making wise decisions. I have been offered loans at 19-22% but wont take them. The cost of the loan and the depreciation makes it un-affordable. Others would take that loan and then complain they were being abused. Now who is responsible? Humanity is greedy and that greed is the ultimate failure!

And as far as "what is money?"....money is a promissory note that says your efforts are valued at this and this can be exchanged for that somewhere else. Nothing more or less! I have looked into the system...that is what pushed me to trying the "play" accounts and such. I will admit that it is not easy for the average Joe to move themselves up that ladder but I don't fault those who built the ladder.

[HarrytheCarGeek]

Jeff, we are on the same page. Except that I do have my qualms with those that built the ladder.

 

I agree with you as to how you define money, but if you analyse it further, you will see that the promissory note is nothing more than the representation of the agreement.

 

Now, I ask you, what right have those that built the ladder to enjoy the interest from the "issuance of money"?

[Jeff]

The issuance of money and collection of interest has been around since free trade began. What right? If you put it that way what right do we have to charge what we do for our services? They invested, made a profit, and loaned that money to someone who in return hopes to make a profit? It is all an exchange of services...the free enterprise system. Why would they not be allowed that? Take a risk, reap the rewards. There is no grey area in this. We took a risk, developed our business and hope to reap the rewards. Anything less would be socialism or communism. And that my friend brings us back to who is responsible? We ourselves are the only ones responsible for us.