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Thanks to our Partners, AAPEX, NAPA TRACS, and Automotive Management Network This episode explores the distinctions between training and education, comparing the educational systems in the U.S. and Europe and how the automotive industry can support academic institutions. Tanner Brandt emphasizes the value of vocational training and soft skills, while Michael Ingvardsen highlights the advantages of industry collaboration and the need for engaging training resources. Tanner and Michael advocate for a cultural shift in automotive education, calling for long-term industry partnerships and a focus on continuous learning to better equip future technicians. Michael Ingvardsen, Global Technical Training Manager, Nissens Automotive Tanner Brandt, Autodiag Clinic. Tanner’s previous episodes HERE. Show Notes

  • Discussion on Education vs. Training (00:03:03) Carm emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between training and education in the automotive field.
  • Tanner's Perspective on Training (00:03:53) Tanner discusses the differences between short-term training and long-term educational processes.
  • Michael on European Training Challenges (00:04:48) Michael explains the cultural differences in training attendance between Europe and the U.S.
  • Vacation in Denmark (00:06:26) Carm and Tanner discuss the generous vacation policies in Denmark compared to the U.S.
  • High School Vocational Programs (00:07:25) Tanner shares insights about vocational education systems like BOCES in New York.
  • Shop Owners and Vocational Programs (00:08:19) Carm highlights the need for shop owners to engage with vocational education centers.
  • Challenges in Automotive Education (00:09:12) Tanner addresses misconceptions regarding the readiness of students entering the automotive workforce.
  • Michael's Educational Experience in Denmark (00:10:56) Michael outlines the differences in educational approaches and student opportunities in Denmark.
  • Cost of Education in Denmark (00:13:10) Carm and Michael discuss the free education system in Denmark and its implications.
  • High School Structure in Denmark (00:14:26) Michael explains the schooling structure, including high school and vocational training paths.
  • Career Path in Automotive for Danish Students (00:15:27) Michael describes the four-year training program for students pursuing automotive careers in Denmark.
  • Challenges in Automotive Education (00:17:58) Discussion on why students lack education post-high school and the need for vocational training.
  • Internships and Apprenticeships (00:21:42) Exploration of internships as a result of vocational training and the potential for hands-on experience.
  • Industry Support for Education (00:22:07) Discussion on how companies, like Nissen's, support educational institutions continuously rather than temporarily.
  • Transactional Nature of U.S. Education (00:23:32) Critique of the transactional approach in U.S. automotive education versus long-term support seen in other countries.
  • Instructor Education and Training (00:24:20) Concerns about how current instructors in the U.S. are educated and the validity of their training sources.
  • Curriculum Changes in Colleges (00:27:36) Changes at a college level to improve student outcomes by replacing traditional subjects with lab-focused learning.
  • Differences Between AAS and AOS Degrees (00:29:49) Comparison of Associates of Applied Science and Associates in Occupational Science degrees and their implications for students.
  • Soft Skills in Education (00:32:58) Discussion on the lack of soft skills training in automotive education and its importance for student success.
  • Work-Life Balance Discussion (00:36:33) Exploration of communication skills and generational changes impacting work-life balance in the automotive industry.
  • Personal Reflection on Travel (00:37:01) Michael shares his journey from extensive travel to prioritizing family time and achieving better work-life balance.
  • Content Development in Training (00:38:46) Tanner discusses his experience in content development for training and differences in presentation styles.
  • Interactive Learning Approaches (00:40:46) The need for interactive and entertaining training presentations to engage learners effectively.
  • Learning Management Systems (00:42:01) Discussion on the advantages of established learning management systems in European training compared to the U.S.
  • Corporate Training Consistency (00:43:26) Michael highlights the importance of maintaining consistent training materials across all trainers in his organization.
  • Need for Communication Courses (00:45:05) Tanner advocates for incorporating communication courses in automotive education to improve interpersonal skills.
  • Real-World Communication Training (00:46:56) Tanner shares insights on practical communication training methods that encourage interaction with strangers.
  • Final Thoughts from Michael (00:48:03) Michael encourages ongoing training and education for both students and professionals in the automotive industry.
  • Tanner's Call to Action (00:49:06) Tanner urges educational institutions and companies to collaborate and improve automotive training programs.


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      The Technician Shortage Is Our Fault, And It's Time We Own It
      Nearly every day, I hear shop owners complain: "There's a technician shortage. We can't find qualified people. There's no one out there." If that's true, then who's to blame?
      The industry? The schools? The government? I don't know how you feel, but who promised us an endless supply of qualified technicians?
      Another common complaint is that young people do not want to work in the trades. Well, if that were true, then why are other trades such as HVAC, electrical, and plumbing growing? What are they doing that the automotive industry is not? 
      Here's the reality we need to face: We do have a problem, but we shouldn't look for someone or any entity to rescue us. Not the government. Not the trade schools. Not the recruiting companies. No one owes us a workforce. If we want great people in our industry, it's up to us. At some point, we need to own up to the truth: Building a pipeline of qualified technicians is our responsibility.
      In this blog article, I will break down the key reasons we are in this situation today and what we, as an industry, can do to solve the technician shortage. Are you ready to look in the mirror?
      Have We Pushed Technicians Away?
      Let's take a look at flat-rate pay. True flat rate, which pays a technician only for the hours they produce, is a controversial pay plan that emphasizes high production levels and creates a competitive work environment that, if not properly controlled, can lead to increased mistakes and a decline in morale and team spirit. Additionally, the stress and physical demands placed on technicians as they age are not favorable to long-term employee retention. What do we do with technicians as they grow older into their fifties and begin to slow down? 
      I have heard all the arguments and pros and cons of flat-rate pay, and I am not going to judge any pay plan. Let the facts speak for themselves. True flat rate has changed in most areas around the country and has evolved into a pay plan that gives technicians some pay guarantee.
      Many shop owners have learned that team morale, along with the opportunity to earn income, is important to technicians and to the company's long-term success. But let me ask you: how many technicians have left or been pushed out over the years because of the old flat-rate pay system?
      Another issue is the workplace environment. I remember being grateful to be hired as a young technician at a local repair shop. While very thankful, the work environment was not ideal. The shop owner kept the bay doors open year-round (I am from New York) unless it rained or snowed. He felt that if the bay doors were closed, customers might think we were closed for business. We had no heat and no hot water. Many of the jobs were done outside, year-round,  in all types of weather. The starting pay was minimum wage, with no benefits, sick days, or vacation pay. 
      Now, again, I need to point out that I was truly grateful for the opportunity this shop owner gave me. I learned a lot working there, and the experience was pivotal in my career. But looking back, I wonder how many people were discouraged by these working conditions?
      While the physical demands of the repair workplace are daunting, perhaps even more critical is the culture. Too many of my generation shop owners preached the mindset of "my way or the highway." We were the business owners, after all. We started our companies, took all the risks, and provided jobs. Why shouldn't we be the ones to set the ground rules our way?   
      Many of us found over the years that the "my way or the highway" mentality was a sure way to isolate employees and make them more likely to look over the fence for greener grass. In other words, it led many technicians to seek employment elsewhere, where they felt they could be appreciated and recognized for their hard work. The issue, however, was that there wasn't much green grass around. Disappointment after disappointment, bouncing from repair to repair shop, eventually led to despair. So, I ask you: were workplace conditions a contributing factor in today's technician shortage?
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      Here is the bottom line: people don't leave their job; they leave their experience. We must do a better job. 
      The News Isn't all Bad; Your Next Steps to Fix the Technician Shortage
      To fix the technician shortage, it will take a combined effort from everyone in the automotive industry, particularly automotive shop owners. Shop owners are in the perfect position to make the greatest impact, not only on their businesses but also on the future automotive workforce.
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      Create a workplace that attracts top talent: a clean, professional, well-equipped facility designed to support productivity, teamwork, and a career, not just a job. Build a great reputation in your community by getting involved locally. Become the auto repair shop that people take notice of as "the" place to work.
      Next, shop owners must become more financially knowledgeable. Knowing your numbers and what you need to achieve for a strong bottom-line profit is essential to paying technicians the money they need and deserve. Profit will also allow you to compete with other trade industries by providing a benefits package that has real take-home value and security.
      When it comes to culture, this is where the rubber hits the road. People crave recognition, praise, and a sense of purpose. Despite what you hear, people are not just money-motivated. Once people feel secure in their financial situation, retaining and motivating technicians can only be achieved by connecting with them on an emotional level. You cannot show enough appreciation. Give out praise for a job well done as if your business depended on it, because it does.
      As technicians age, we need to have a place for them. Expecting a 58-year-old to perform like a 35-year-old is unrealistic. We need to be more focused on career pathing. Provide training, skill development, and coaching to develop leaders and mentors within our older workforce. While their bodies may have slowed, the knowledge they have gained is priceless. 
      Our future is dependent on young people entering our industry. We need to give more young people opportunities. Every shop owner across the country should consider hiring an apprentice, then build an apprentice training plan and career path for them. If every shop did this, we could solve the technician shortage within five years. Get involved with the trade schools and high schools in your area. Look into the NAPA Apprenticeship Program. Don't sit on your hands with this one. Do it today.
      Lastly, don't get left behind. Commit to ongoing training for all your employees. Keep up to date with tools and equipment tailored to your business model. Don't try to be all things to all people and all vehicles. Identify your core profile customer and the vehicles they drive, and become an expert on those vehicles and the services you offer.
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