bracketracer

33 minutes ago, Joe Marconi said:

.....The question is, and has been for a long time: If ASE could not achieve the consumer awareness that's needed, then what will? 

That's the ironic part of this discussion.  I believe that ASE *has* achieved exactly this, especially with folks who have extended warranties that specify ASE certified shops.  What it hasn't done is provided a higher education and guidance to the people in our industry that need it most.

Maybe things have changed since I took my tests in '98, but when I see "ASE Certified", all I see is a sign that a person is proficient in taking standardized tests.  

In 98, I was in the industry for 11 years already, as a mechanic for 6 of those.  I was a tech at a VW/Audi/Porsche store, and they offered to pay for our testing.  I took 4 one night, remaining 4 the next night, passed them all without looking at a practice test beforehand, and *boom*, I'm now an ASE Master.  Still the same green noobie tech that I was 2 days prior.

Like I said, maybe things have changed since then, but I got zero real value out of it, other than being more hireable.

In my northeast rust belt area, I tend to avoid doing brake and fuel lines.

Buffalo suburb, we're currently at $130/hr.

The discussion about bottom line vs. labor rate has been interesting to watch, and I'm seriously considering going that direction.